If an ICE agent stopped you without probable cause and demanded your papers, would you comply?

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17 Comments

  1. As my professor once said, if you got time to waste and want to stand up to injustice then push back. But if that’s a burden and you need to go on your way, just comply and file a grievance later.

  2. denvertaglessbums on

    Even if I knew I didn’t have to, I’d show my papers and make the interaction as short as possible.

    ETA: and pray that a group of middle-aged Susans don’t roll up and make a scene.

  3. SmilingHappyLaughing on

    That is so incorrect.

    Reasonable suspicion is required — This is a lower threshold than probable cause. It means ICE must have specific, articulable facts (not just hunches, race, appearance, language, or general location) that reasonably suggest a person in the vehicle is unlawfully present in the U.S. or violating immigration laws.

  4. All the right wingers that were screaming “my freedom!” During Covid when we were ostracized from public for not getting the vax are awfully quiet now.

  5. CopenhagenCalling on

    I never thought I would see the day where Americans were defending papers, please.

    I wonder if Americans will ever wake up or if it’s a lost cause. I feel bad for my American family, used to visit them, but not anymore.

  6. Suit_Responsible on

    This page of “Liberations” should be up in arms about this. This is the single biggest attack of liberation values in generations. It makes me thing that most here are just conservatives disgusted as libertarians.

  7. FunkyChickenKong on

    Yes, but I know it’s wrong to go fishing like that. They’re flailing, sloppy, incompetent, and there to terrorize for a reason. To induce war.

    The question is, do we want to give it to them and how? Will bloodshed solve our problems? Will it create a hellscape so bad we all scream “enough is enough” into the void?

    Fascism was stopped in its tracks after enough people were revolted by the images they were seeing. It was not the civilians who stopped it. It was an international army.

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