Relevance: this is a follow up to the post about policies for data center development, and why I believe none of those will be implemented, especially with elections coming
Basically the concept of data centers are politically toxic now, which is why Abbott and shapiro both signed orders restricting data center development. It also explains why Nvidia started calling them ai factories instead and why in the wisconsin governors race the Republican nominee started attacking David Crowley as “data center David Crowley”.
kittenTakeover on
It’s kind of insane. There’s a local data center being proposed where I am. It’s modest in size. It’s guaranteed to create lots of permanent high paying jobs in the area since it will be a local university research facility. It uses hardly any water compared to the local water supply. It’s proposed location is basically empty except for a manufacturing facility next door. However the local response to it has been overwhelmingly kneejerk opposition. If you even try to mention that maybe it could be beneficial you get called a shill or apologist.
S7EFEN on
i don’t even get how you solve this. why should ordinary people see these things as positive when ai is objectively a labor displacer, disrupts existing supply chains for consumers for personal electronics, and is physically disruptive where ever they are built.
what is even the selling point? i don’t even see any sort of propaganda as to why the average citizen should care. at least oldschool mega factories meant some sort of job creation? ai is mostly a ‘profits will be captured by the 10-0.001%, and the rest of you will struggle.
AccomplishedQuit4801 on
I guess it kind of depends on the data center. If you have a data center which actively engages with the community(to a reasonable degree), has no colossal subsidies or incentives from local or state government, provides or has paid for it’s own power by expanding the current grid to suit its needs insuring locals won’t see increased prices, uses locals for as much of it’s labor needs as possible, and is placed in a relatively sensible location, it would probably be recieved vastly different then one which takes the inverse approach.
If your power bill is being raised by some eyesore of a structure that is staffed by shipped-in contractors from California, and won’t have to start paying taxes until 2030, then you’re not some pinko succ to oppose it.
It all depends on context.
ThatDamnGuyJosh on
I just RAM prices to fall. Don’t care how you do it.
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Relevance: this is a follow up to the post about policies for data center development, and why I believe none of those will be implemented, especially with elections coming
Basically the concept of data centers are politically toxic now, which is why Abbott and shapiro both signed orders restricting data center development. It also explains why Nvidia started calling them ai factories instead and why in the wisconsin governors race the Republican nominee started attacking David Crowley as “data center David Crowley”.
It’s kind of insane. There’s a local data center being proposed where I am. It’s modest in size. It’s guaranteed to create lots of permanent high paying jobs in the area since it will be a local university research facility. It uses hardly any water compared to the local water supply. It’s proposed location is basically empty except for a manufacturing facility next door. However the local response to it has been overwhelmingly kneejerk opposition. If you even try to mention that maybe it could be beneficial you get called a shill or apologist.
i don’t even get how you solve this. why should ordinary people see these things as positive when ai is objectively a labor displacer, disrupts existing supply chains for consumers for personal electronics, and is physically disruptive where ever they are built.
what is even the selling point? i don’t even see any sort of propaganda as to why the average citizen should care. at least oldschool mega factories meant some sort of job creation? ai is mostly a ‘profits will be captured by the 10-0.001%, and the rest of you will struggle.
I guess it kind of depends on the data center. If you have a data center which actively engages with the community(to a reasonable degree), has no colossal subsidies or incentives from local or state government, provides or has paid for it’s own power by expanding the current grid to suit its needs insuring locals won’t see increased prices, uses locals for as much of it’s labor needs as possible, and is placed in a relatively sensible location, it would probably be recieved vastly different then one which takes the inverse approach.
If your power bill is being raised by some eyesore of a structure that is staffed by shipped-in contractors from California, and won’t have to start paying taxes until 2030, then you’re not some pinko succ to oppose it.
It all depends on context.
I just RAM prices to fall. Don’t care how you do it.