The Post-liberal Catholics Find Their Man | As vice president, J. D. Vance would elevate their disdain for American liberalism to the highest levels of government

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  1. Independent-Low-2398 on

    > Trump’s choice of J. D. Vance as his running mate puts a spotlight on a different faction of the religious right: the so-called post-liberal Catholics, who have been Vance’s friends, allies, and interlocutors since his 2019 conversion to Catholicism (he was raised Protestant) and transformation into a MAGA Republican shortly after.

    > This group of Catholic intellectuals—which includes Patrick Deneen of Notre Dame, Adrian Vermeule of Harvard Law School, and Sohrab Ahmari, a founder and an editor of the eclectically populist magazine Compact—is known for its sweeping attack on classical liberalism. It claims that a long list of contemporary problems (rising rates of economic inequality, drug addiction, suicide, homelessness, childlessness) can be traced back to moral-philosophical errors made centuries ago by the American Founders and their ideological progenitors. In place of our polity’s commitment to individual rights, autonomy, and pluralism, the post-liberals aim to create a society unified around the common good, which is itself fixed on a theological vision of the Highest Good.

    > Hence the need for what Deneen calls “regime change” in the title of his most recent book. In concrete terms, this means replacing the people and institutions that dominate America’s cultural, economic, and political life with a new elite willing to eschew liberal norms in service of supposedly higher ideals. In this respect, Vance is the man the post-liberals have been waiting for—a self-identified member of the “post-liberal right,” and now a contender for one of the country’s highest political offices.

    > Setbacks at home and at the Vatican—including the election (and reelection) of Barack Obama, Pope Francis’s efforts to push back against the conservative legacies of his predecessors, and the Obergefell decision by the U.S. Supreme Court declaring same-sex marriage a constitutional right—discredited the idea that liberalism and traditional Catholicism could go together. One radical response to these developments can be found on the furthest extreme of the Catholic right, among a group called the integralists. Despite their name, they aim to subordinate the state to the Church, not integrate them.

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  2. Catholics tend to be some of the more moderate Christians out there. However, the chunk of them that are conservative are absolutely nuts, as bad as Evangelicals. I went to Catholic school from K-8 in a fairly conservative community. Obama was elected president when I was 11, and even then something seemed really off with the things the other kids and their parents were saying. Obama birtherism was rampant around those circles. Even when I was 11 I thought “This is such obvious BS, I can’t believe people believe this crap.” Even then it felt to me that people were believing it just because they wanted it to be true and didn’t care if there was any evidence for it. Sixteen years later, nothing had changed. QAnon is the modern birtherism.

    This was in addition to the racism I heard around those circles. I decided to attend public school for high school instead of the local Catholic high school because a public school near me had a magnet program that I wanted to attend. I heard a lot from the other kids and even their parents, most of it blatantly racist. My friend’s *mother* asked me why I would even go to that public school and tried to warn me that “a lot of Mexicans go there.”

    I got out of my hometown a few years ago. It isn’t as bad now as it was when I was a kid, but I still have no intention of ever moving back, let alone starting a family there.

  3. Ehh no, not really. Though I suppose I am probably an outlier, I am a Catholic who has pretty much always had some skepticism of the entire “liberal project”. I get the feeling that Catholicism in the US has made a pact with evangelicals over abortion issue that has led to some Evangelical type of thinking to seep in a bit. The good thing about Catholicism, however, is that those types will never be able to either entirely hijack the church or do a successful split off like they might in another denomination. The Vatican still sets the ultimate agenda and the communities in the US have to accept diverse congregations from around the world who, whilst still receptive to the culture war BS, don’t let that completely dominate their other political concerns.

  4. chinggatupadre on

    Who is JD Vance? For the blind, he is vision. For the hungry, he is the chef. For the thirsty, he is water. If thinks, I agree. If JD Vance speaks, I’m listening. If JD Vance has a million fans, I am one of them. If JD Vance has ten fans, I am one of them. If JD Vance has only one fan, that is me. If JD Vanxe has no fans, I no longer exist. If the whole world is against JD Vance, I am against the whole world. I will love JD Vance until my very last breath.

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