Smears is when people call you out for running again when you have deeply unpopular approval ratings, Major foreign policy embarrassments like the Afghanistan withdrawal, inflationary policy that had multiple dem aligned economists worried of the outcome, or just being a interregnum in the Trump era. Biden will be remembered but mostly as the President who couldn’t see the red alarm going off
BlackCat159 on
> Neonazis: Hitler did nothing wrong
> Neoliberals: Biden did nothing wrong.
Spot the difference 😂😂😂😂
One_Emergency7679 on
lol, lmao even
Less_Suit5502 on
Biden has always been more willing to keep it real so to speak because he speaks what he means. He really should have run in 2016.
While Biden should have never run this time around the Dems were never going to understand what people do not like about the party without a loss this badly. They may still not get it this time, but I think the Dem base does.
Grum14 on
Unfortunately, his legislative accomplishments will always be overshadowed by his decision to seek a second term.
His story could’ve been: elder statesman comes out of retirement to defeat Donald Trump, gets us through COVID, passes several transformative bills, and then gracefully retires and passes the torch to the next generation. He’d be remembered as a hero. But instead he chose to cling to power, so now he’ll be remembered as the speed bump between Trump’s two terms.
runningblack on
Smears won’t tarnish his legacy. Biden’s own actions already did that for him.
Augustus-- on
Have the debate playing on loop at his library.
admiraltarkin on
My Xbox account name has been Joe Biden since July 2008. Trust me when I say I love the man.
That being said, his legacy will be Trump. Regardless of the great things he’s accomplished it will all be overshadowed by Trump winning in 2024. The only way his accomplishments would actually be remembered would be if he (or Harris) had won
GreatnessToTheMoon on
Cons hate him for obvious reasons
Neolibs hate him because he’s too protectionist
And Succs hate him because they feel he didn’t go far enough
aglguy on
Until he pardoned hunter, terrible move
Key_Environment8179 on
The revisionist history on this sub. The majority position here pre-debate was clearly that Biden was an excellent president (and should stay in the race). And after he dropped out, the most popular posts called him a hero and compared him to Washington and Cincinnatus. Opinion of him here did not change because of any of Biden’s policies. It changed because Kamala lost and no other reason. But that has fuck all to do with whether Biden was an effective president.
Joementum2024 on
With all due respect, the man passed unnecessary inflationary stimulus bills that caused significant financial strain, was an absolutely horrific messenger and failed to communicate any of his policy achievements well, was an ardent protectionist who favored self-defeating measures like tariffs, and had an extremely weak foreign policy (especially in the Middle East). All that, already, makes him not think of him as well as Obama or Clinton.
But none of that will ever pale to him running for re-election. With some of the reports of his condition through his time in office, he should have never even *considered* running for president again. Yet he did, and basically made sure Democratic voters couldn’t vote for a preferred candidate, had a disastrous debate performance that validated everything right wing media was saying about him, and set us on the path for Trump’s re-election.
More than a month later, I still feel comfortable in saying that Biden is the biggest reason we lost this election. His legacy could have been his agenda and “restoring the soul of this country”, but in truth his legacy is Trump’s second term, and the likely end of the Obama era of liberalism.
dddd0 on
I honestly don’t get Biden at all. I thought he’d step down at some point during his term for medical reasons, which would have given his VP ample space to create a public image and improve the odds for the VP to be elected the next president.
Instead he furiously clung to power, didn’t give his VP any room at all, then ran for re-election and dropped out way too late after way too many blunders.
What’s there to smear? He already fucked his legacy.
iIoveoof on
He’s history’s greatest monster!
Malaise Forever
etzel1200 on
His foreign policy is awful. That Trump’s is worse doesn’t make it a win.
He can’t even enable an ally to win a defensive war against an economy about the size of Italy’s.
BorelMeasure on
Are we seriously d1 glazing Biden?
92pandaman on
Legacy is vibes more than anything. And his legacy will forever be smeared by the fact that Galrand failed to prosecute Trump in time.
But whether he has a legislative legacy it’s way too soon to tell. Trump may undo it all. Or maybe not. Who the fuck knows.
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“smears”
Smears is when people call you out for running again when you have deeply unpopular approval ratings, Major foreign policy embarrassments like the Afghanistan withdrawal, inflationary policy that had multiple dem aligned economists worried of the outcome, or just being a interregnum in the Trump era. Biden will be remembered but mostly as the President who couldn’t see the red alarm going off
> Neonazis: Hitler did nothing wrong
> Neoliberals: Biden did nothing wrong.
Spot the difference 😂😂😂😂
lol, lmao even
Biden has always been more willing to keep it real so to speak because he speaks what he means. He really should have run in 2016.
While Biden should have never run this time around the Dems were never going to understand what people do not like about the party without a loss this badly. They may still not get it this time, but I think the Dem base does.
Unfortunately, his legislative accomplishments will always be overshadowed by his decision to seek a second term.
His story could’ve been: elder statesman comes out of retirement to defeat Donald Trump, gets us through COVID, passes several transformative bills, and then gracefully retires and passes the torch to the next generation. He’d be remembered as a hero. But instead he chose to cling to power, so now he’ll be remembered as the speed bump between Trump’s two terms.
Smears won’t tarnish his legacy. Biden’s own actions already did that for him.
Have the debate playing on loop at his library.
My Xbox account name has been Joe Biden since July 2008. Trust me when I say I love the man.
That being said, his legacy will be Trump. Regardless of the great things he’s accomplished it will all be overshadowed by Trump winning in 2024. The only way his accomplishments would actually be remembered would be if he (or Harris) had won
Cons hate him for obvious reasons
Neolibs hate him because he’s too protectionist
And Succs hate him because they feel he didn’t go far enough
Until he pardoned hunter, terrible move
The revisionist history on this sub. The majority position here pre-debate was clearly that Biden was an excellent president (and should stay in the race). And after he dropped out, the most popular posts called him a hero and compared him to Washington and Cincinnatus. Opinion of him here did not change because of any of Biden’s policies. It changed because Kamala lost and no other reason. But that has fuck all to do with whether Biden was an effective president.
With all due respect, the man passed unnecessary inflationary stimulus bills that caused significant financial strain, was an absolutely horrific messenger and failed to communicate any of his policy achievements well, was an ardent protectionist who favored self-defeating measures like tariffs, and had an extremely weak foreign policy (especially in the Middle East). All that, already, makes him not think of him as well as Obama or Clinton.
But none of that will ever pale to him running for re-election. With some of the reports of his condition through his time in office, he should have never even *considered* running for president again. Yet he did, and basically made sure Democratic voters couldn’t vote for a preferred candidate, had a disastrous debate performance that validated everything right wing media was saying about him, and set us on the path for Trump’s re-election.
More than a month later, I still feel comfortable in saying that Biden is the biggest reason we lost this election. His legacy could have been his agenda and “restoring the soul of this country”, but in truth his legacy is Trump’s second term, and the likely end of the Obama era of liberalism.
I honestly don’t get Biden at all. I thought he’d step down at some point during his term for medical reasons, which would have given his VP ample space to create a public image and improve the odds for the VP to be elected the next president.
Instead he furiously clung to power, didn’t give his VP any room at all, then ran for re-election and dropped out way too late after way too many blunders.
What’s there to smear? He already fucked his legacy.
He’s history’s greatest monster!
Malaise Forever
His foreign policy is awful. That Trump’s is worse doesn’t make it a win.
He can’t even enable an ally to win a defensive war against an economy about the size of Italy’s.
Are we seriously d1 glazing Biden?
Legacy is vibes more than anything. And his legacy will forever be smeared by the fact that Galrand failed to prosecute Trump in time.
But whether he has a legislative legacy it’s way too soon to tell. Trump may undo it all. Or maybe not. Who the fuck knows.