> If people ultimately vote on their material experience — a common sense thing to suppose — America should have much stabler politics than Europe, including Britain. Instead, it has about the same amount of anti-establishment populism, if not more.
> How odd. Perhaps what voters do is compare their economic experience with that of their own forebears, not with that of contemporaries in other countries. The data that matters is longitudinal, then, not latitudinal. But this doesn’t leave the economics-is-politics argument looking much stronger. Consider Ireland or Poland. Each nation has seen non-mainstream parties grow in clout over recent decades. And each has done so despite growing unrecognisably richer.
> In the 1980s, Sinn Féin won 1 or 2 per cent of the vote in Irish general elections. In the noughties, this went up to around 6. Though it didn’t break through, the party scored 19 per cent in last month’s election. Over the same period, the Irish economy flowered, from one of the poorest in Europe to one of the richest, from a place of emigration to one to which people flock. How does an economic determinist account for this? What is the materialist explanation here?
> **Let me anticipate one: that general enrichment can mask, or even create, particular hardships. Higher housing costs for the young, to take one example. But this is so much statistical cherry-picking. In all economies at all times, there are sectoral problems to be cited.** If economic determinism is to be serious, it has to be falsifiable. It has to reckon with the fact that Ireland, despite a savage crash in 2008, is richer than it was a couple of generations ago, and to little obvious glory for the established political order that oversaw most of that success.
> Other facts have to be faced. Donald Trump got elected in a high-inflation context (2024). But also in a low-inflation one (2016). Populists thrive in free markets with huge income disparities (the US). But also in social democracies (France). In the Britain of 2016, dispossessed young people voted for the status quo of Remain while the asset-owning old chose the rupture of Leave. Greece, which had a scarring economic experience in the last decade, and an excuse to turn to the fringes, has a prime minister who is the toast of international moderates. Italy, which underwent less structural reform, has a populist. **Not only is there no faithful correlation between economic circumstances and political choices, there isn’t even a useful line of best fit.**
> If not just economics, then, what is bugging voters? Immigration, in large part. But even this isn’t a clincher. Why hasn’t populism taken off in high-immigration Australia? (There, perhaps, economics does explain a lot.) The strength of the hard right in France seems out of line with the size of the foreign-born population there, which isn’t exceptional by western European standards.
> Either way, the story of the US in this century should be chastening for those who see politics as downstream of economics. Plainly, it is possible to grow at fantastic speed, to build the mightiest companies on Earth from scratch — and to have Tulsi Gabbard poised for major public office. Economic determinism is soothing because there is a textbook answer to every problem: grow your way out of it. Invest. This was Joe Biden-ism. In fact, it is much of western liberalism. There is impeccable common sense to it, but also an intellectual ponderousness. **Conservatives have been quicker to intuit that stranger forces than material interest are at work in the world, and to master them.**
> It is hard to write this column without being mistaken for an outright growth-sceptic, liable to quote Robert Kennedy’s slightly high-school valedictorian speech about all the things that GDP doesn’t measure. (“The strength of our marriages.”) Just to stipulate, then, I’m a growth zealot. I want 20mn Londoners, not 10mn. But the case for growth must be that it is good in and of itself, that more stuff for more people is intrinsically worthwhile, that romanticising the pre-industrial world is imbecilic tweeness. The argument is not that growth leads to healthier politics. If the evidence ever supported that axiom, it is foggier now.
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Yet another interesting article recently from a writer I respect about how it seems difficult to argue that the rise of right-populist parties in the West has been due to inadequate economic conditions as opposed to cultural/social/demographic backlash. Any one of them would have been persuasive but when they keep dropping, it’s hard not to notice a pattern! Here are some other recent articles on this theme that I also found persuasive, a graph from [another such article](https://archive.is/AkVTq), and the 2017 PRRI/*The Atlantic* report about what started this all, Trump’s 2016 win, that I think has proved prescient:
If anyone’s interested in learning more about this, I strongly recommend [*Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government*](https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Realists-Elections-Responsive-Government/dp/0691178240) by Achen and Bartels. ^(Yes I recommend it a lot on this sub, yes I will keep hammering it because it is just that eye-opening if you want to understand how people vote)
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> If people ultimately vote on their material experience — a common sense thing to suppose — America should have much stabler politics than Europe, including Britain. Instead, it has about the same amount of anti-establishment populism, if not more.
> How odd. Perhaps what voters do is compare their economic experience with that of their own forebears, not with that of contemporaries in other countries. The data that matters is longitudinal, then, not latitudinal. But this doesn’t leave the economics-is-politics argument looking much stronger. Consider Ireland or Poland. Each nation has seen non-mainstream parties grow in clout over recent decades. And each has done so despite growing unrecognisably richer.
> In the 1980s, Sinn Féin won 1 or 2 per cent of the vote in Irish general elections. In the noughties, this went up to around 6. Though it didn’t break through, the party scored 19 per cent in last month’s election. Over the same period, the Irish economy flowered, from one of the poorest in Europe to one of the richest, from a place of emigration to one to which people flock. How does an economic determinist account for this? What is the materialist explanation here?
> **Let me anticipate one: that general enrichment can mask, or even create, particular hardships. Higher housing costs for the young, to take one example. But this is so much statistical cherry-picking. In all economies at all times, there are sectoral problems to be cited.** If economic determinism is to be serious, it has to be falsifiable. It has to reckon with the fact that Ireland, despite a savage crash in 2008, is richer than it was a couple of generations ago, and to little obvious glory for the established political order that oversaw most of that success.
> Other facts have to be faced. Donald Trump got elected in a high-inflation context (2024). But also in a low-inflation one (2016). Populists thrive in free markets with huge income disparities (the US). But also in social democracies (France). In the Britain of 2016, dispossessed young people voted for the status quo of Remain while the asset-owning old chose the rupture of Leave. Greece, which had a scarring economic experience in the last decade, and an excuse to turn to the fringes, has a prime minister who is the toast of international moderates. Italy, which underwent less structural reform, has a populist. **Not only is there no faithful correlation between economic circumstances and political choices, there isn’t even a useful line of best fit.**
> If not just economics, then, what is bugging voters? Immigration, in large part. But even this isn’t a clincher. Why hasn’t populism taken off in high-immigration Australia? (There, perhaps, economics does explain a lot.) The strength of the hard right in France seems out of line with the size of the foreign-born population there, which isn’t exceptional by western European standards.
> Either way, the story of the US in this century should be chastening for those who see politics as downstream of economics. Plainly, it is possible to grow at fantastic speed, to build the mightiest companies on Earth from scratch — and to have Tulsi Gabbard poised for major public office. Economic determinism is soothing because there is a textbook answer to every problem: grow your way out of it. Invest. This was Joe Biden-ism. In fact, it is much of western liberalism. There is impeccable common sense to it, but also an intellectual ponderousness. **Conservatives have been quicker to intuit that stranger forces than material interest are at work in the world, and to master them.**
> It is hard to write this column without being mistaken for an outright growth-sceptic, liable to quote Robert Kennedy’s slightly high-school valedictorian speech about all the things that GDP doesn’t measure. (“The strength of our marriages.”) Just to stipulate, then, I’m a growth zealot. I want 20mn Londoners, not 10mn. But the case for growth must be that it is good in and of itself, that more stuff for more people is intrinsically worthwhile, that romanticising the pre-industrial world is imbecilic tweeness. The argument is not that growth leads to healthier politics. If the evidence ever supported that axiom, it is foggier now.
Yet another interesting article recently from a writer I respect about how it seems difficult to argue that the rise of right-populist parties in the West has been due to inadequate economic conditions as opposed to cultural/social/demographic backlash. Any one of them would have been persuasive but when they keep dropping, it’s hard not to notice a pattern! Here are some other recent articles on this theme that I also found persuasive, a graph from [another such article](https://archive.is/AkVTq), and the 2017 PRRI/*The Atlantic* report about what started this all, Trump’s 2016 win, that I think has proved prescient:
* [“Maybe It Was Never About the Factory Jobs: The theory that populist economic policies can win back the working class for Democrats has been tried, and it has failed”](https://archive.is/NWakj) by Jonathan Chait for *The Atlantic*
* [“The Populist Phantom: Threats to Democracy Start at the Top”](https://archive.is/adXVG) by Larry Bartels for *Foreign Affairs*
* [“Beyond Economics: Fears of Cultural Displacement Pushed the White Working Class to Trump”](https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/)
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If anyone’s interested in learning more about this, I strongly recommend [*Democracy for Realists: Why Elections Do Not Produce Responsive Government*](https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Realists-Elections-Responsive-Government/dp/0691178240) by Achen and Bartels. ^(Yes I recommend it a lot on this sub, yes I will keep hammering it because it is just that eye-opening if you want to understand how people vote)