The question was always going to be the constitutionality of the impoundment control act, regardless of whether Dems managed to attach anti-Doge language to the CR.
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Number 16 is actually an interesting one, imagining if the filibuster had been eliminated and making it much more “simple” because there is literally no option to block the bill.
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14 is a great point.
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> Susan Collins, who chairs the relevant appropriations subcommittee, also says that it’s bad, and my sincere hope is that she will move a separate piece of legislation lifting it.
Be prepared to emulate her and be disappointed
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> What he was banking on was the fact that it’s been a million years since House Republicans have been able to pass a CR on a party-line vote. He thought a hard line from Hakeem Jeffries would bring the GOP to the table.
This was indeed a bad call, and only would seem like a good one if your activism is social media dunks. The fact is that the House GOP has unfortunately held it together far better than they did under Paul Ryan or Kevin McCarthy. The Freedom Caucus is in line and it should have been the expectation that the GOP would manage to pass the CR out of the House as soon as Johnson was re-elected Speaker with basically no fuss.
Why Jeffries and Schumer apparently had no backup plan and Plan A was basically “hope Johnson steps on a rake” is beyond me.
> If the problem with DOGE is they are laying off workers and curtailing programs that are vital and important, a shutdown also does those things!
Yes, so why are we so terrified of a shutdown when we’re literally watching the federal government be shredded in front of us right now?
> Because the federal workers at the epicenter of the pushback against DOGE would all be either furloughed or else working without pay, pressure to cave to Trump would soon be coming from the very people Democrats are trying to help.
Unions representing federal employees have come out *in favor* of a government shutdown if it means protecting federal workers.
> Senior Trump officials have signaled, repeatedly, that they want to challenge the constitutionality of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. If the Supreme Court sides with them about that, then no additional legislation would change anything. If the Supreme Court rejects Trump’s argument, then much of this is taken care of right there.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government to SCOTUS, I don’t see how what the court *might* do later should affect what happens now to safeguard the power of the purse.
> It drives me crazy that the very same progressives who shit on Democrats for not being able to stop bad things Republicans do after they lose elections spend all the time before elections shitting on the idea of being more pragmatic and moderate and winning more seats.
I’m an absolute self-admitted partisan hack who would have voted for Biden for a second term if he was hooked up to an IV drip. Fuck this shit, I didn’t say a damn word about the clusterfuck of Biden’s last year in office because I’m a team player, and I looked like an absolute buffoon when he melted down live on TV. I’m going to continue to try and get Democrats elected, but I’m done circling the wagons when they fuck up. The stakes are too high.
> Donate money to good candidates. Elon Musk is trying to buy a Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin soon, and Susan Crawford could really use your help. The whole Slow Boring slate is here.
On this we agree. WI has fought too hard to have fair elections to have that twat try to buy their state.
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If Matt Y genuinely thinks only Progressives will be pissed about Dems rolling over, he’s even more out of touch than I realized. These pundits live in a different world.
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Having the US Credit Rating go down AGAIN is not worth scoring points which cannot be played.
It’s depressing that the other side refuses to see this, and will do everything they can to “shut ‘er down” if ever a Democrat regains the Oval Office.
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I don’t see any of you in here going on r/WashingtonDC explaining how their public school budget getting nuked and their kids going hungry is good politics. Just saying. You can act like it’s good politics and be like what about 2026, but this vote will hurt people. The first rule is do no harm, it always has to be do no harm. If the GOP doesn’t put up an alternative bill the harms on them, but Dems can’t do harm, they shouldn’t vote to allow harm.
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“It drives me crazy that the very same progressives who shit on Democrats for not being able to stop bad things Republicans do after they lose elections spend all the time before elections shitting on the idea of being more pragmatic and moderate and winning more seats”
Agree with this..
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Matty Y is right on the merits but the progressives want performance. We’ll see if they can mobilize and actually kick dem incumbents out.
But I have a feeling that the progressive movement will fail like it has consistently and what you will get is the status quo and baseless accusations of stolen or bought elections. That allows the leadership of these groups to shift blame at yet another one of their failures and continue to maintain their power and more importantly, the large paychecks that come with their jobs.
Progressives, in this thread and on Reddit, will claim they represent the base. Election after election has shown otherwise.
We’ll have elections soon enough and we’ll see if that’s changed. Id bet my house it hasn’t.
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Maybe this is too extreme but another thought- Donald and the maga base are just itching for fights/reasons to empower the executive branch. Non-functional legislative branch kind of plays into this whole worldview. So, while it sucks, maybe letting this pass through makes sense in that it prevents “empower the executive further” from becoming a thing?
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mattY is a hack. and not just a hack, but the worst kind of hack, a hack that doesn’t appear to believe in anything but having the most contrarian take.
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Sixteen thoughts about how Chuck is a moron.
Yglesias’ points are very good, especially 9.
The question was always going to be the constitutionality of the impoundment control act, regardless of whether Dems managed to attach anti-Doge language to the CR.
Number 16 is actually an interesting one, imagining if the filibuster had been eliminated and making it much more “simple” because there is literally no option to block the bill.
14 is a great point.
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> Susan Collins, who chairs the relevant appropriations subcommittee, also says that it’s bad, and my sincere hope is that she will move a separate piece of legislation lifting it.
Be prepared to emulate her and be disappointed
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> What he was banking on was the fact that it’s been a million years since House Republicans have been able to pass a CR on a party-line vote. He thought a hard line from Hakeem Jeffries would bring the GOP to the table.
This was indeed a bad call, and only would seem like a good one if your activism is social media dunks. The fact is that the House GOP has unfortunately held it together far better than they did under Paul Ryan or Kevin McCarthy. The Freedom Caucus is in line and it should have been the expectation that the GOP would manage to pass the CR out of the House as soon as Johnson was re-elected Speaker with basically no fuss.
Why Jeffries and Schumer apparently had no backup plan and Plan A was basically “hope Johnson steps on a rake” is beyond me.
> If the problem with DOGE is they are laying off workers and curtailing programs that are vital and important, a shutdown also does those things!
Yes, so why are we so terrified of a shutdown when we’re literally watching the federal government be shredded in front of us right now?
> Because the federal workers at the epicenter of the pushback against DOGE would all be either furloughed or else working without pay, pressure to cave to Trump would soon be coming from the very people Democrats are trying to help.
Unions representing federal employees have come out *in favor* of a government shutdown if it means protecting federal workers.
> Senior Trump officials have signaled, repeatedly, that they want to challenge the constitutionality of the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. If the Supreme Court sides with them about that, then no additional legislation would change anything. If the Supreme Court rejects Trump’s argument, then much of this is taken care of right there.
Congress is a co-equal branch of government to SCOTUS, I don’t see how what the court *might* do later should affect what happens now to safeguard the power of the purse.
> It drives me crazy that the very same progressives who shit on Democrats for not being able to stop bad things Republicans do after they lose elections spend all the time before elections shitting on the idea of being more pragmatic and moderate and winning more seats.
I’m an absolute self-admitted partisan hack who would have voted for Biden for a second term if he was hooked up to an IV drip. Fuck this shit, I didn’t say a damn word about the clusterfuck of Biden’s last year in office because I’m a team player, and I looked like an absolute buffoon when he melted down live on TV. I’m going to continue to try and get Democrats elected, but I’m done circling the wagons when they fuck up. The stakes are too high.
> Donate money to good candidates. Elon Musk is trying to buy a Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin soon, and Susan Crawford could really use your help. The whole Slow Boring slate is here.
On this we agree. WI has fought too hard to have fair elections to have that twat try to buy their state.
If Matt Y genuinely thinks only Progressives will be pissed about Dems rolling over, he’s even more out of touch than I realized. These pundits live in a different world.
Having the US Credit Rating go down AGAIN is not worth scoring points which cannot be played.
It’s depressing that the other side refuses to see this, and will do everything they can to “shut ‘er down” if ever a Democrat regains the Oval Office.
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I don’t see any of you in here going on r/WashingtonDC explaining how their public school budget getting nuked and their kids going hungry is good politics. Just saying. You can act like it’s good politics and be like what about 2026, but this vote will hurt people. The first rule is do no harm, it always has to be do no harm. If the GOP doesn’t put up an alternative bill the harms on them, but Dems can’t do harm, they shouldn’t vote to allow harm.
“It drives me crazy that the very same progressives who shit on Democrats for not being able to stop bad things Republicans do after they lose elections spend all the time before elections shitting on the idea of being more pragmatic and moderate and winning more seats”
Agree with this..
Matty Y is right on the merits but the progressives want performance. We’ll see if they can mobilize and actually kick dem incumbents out.
But I have a feeling that the progressive movement will fail like it has consistently and what you will get is the status quo and baseless accusations of stolen or bought elections. That allows the leadership of these groups to shift blame at yet another one of their failures and continue to maintain their power and more importantly, the large paychecks that come with their jobs.
Progressives, in this thread and on Reddit, will claim they represent the base. Election after election has shown otherwise.
We’ll have elections soon enough and we’ll see if that’s changed. Id bet my house it hasn’t.
Maybe this is too extreme but another thought- Donald and the maga base are just itching for fights/reasons to empower the executive branch. Non-functional legislative branch kind of plays into this whole worldview. So, while it sucks, maybe letting this pass through makes sense in that it prevents “empower the executive further” from becoming a thing?
mattY is a hack. and not just a hack, but the worst kind of hack, a hack that doesn’t appear to believe in anything but having the most contrarian take.