What are you going to get out of it? You aren’t a master negotiator if you just give everything to the opposing side.
BelmontIncident on
Ah, the Chamberlain maneuver
Desperate_Path_377 on
Russia has occupied Crimea for over a decade now and there is no realistic prospect of Ukraine retaking it. Recognizing the status quo seems largely symbolic.
Of course, I’ve seen essentially zero Russian concessions up to now. Not exactly clear what all these concessions are buying Ukraine or the broader West.
Also, this is pretty rich coming from the Trump admin:
> The White House declined to comment. In a statement to Semafor after publication of this story, National Security Council spokesman Brian Hughes said that the administration has “made no such commitments and **we will not negotiate this deal through the media**.”
GreatnessToTheMoon on
Realistically it’s been theirs since 2014
omnipotentsandwich on
The only thing giving me hope is that anything lost can be gained back in the future. If Crimea becomes Russian, Ukraine can retake it in the future with enough force. That’s the same hope I have for Afghanistan. We can overthrow the Taliban again in the future when we stop being cowards.
MuscularPhysicist on
Not beating the Russian asset allegations
Bajanspearfisher on
NATO membership, or other binding European alliance pact, triggering immediate deployment of European troops if any Russian troops or attempt to interfere in elections is detected in Ukraine, and it would be worth it. Anything less than all out war in the event at future attempts to annex Ukraine by Russia, and it’s a bad deal
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Fuck this timeline
What are you going to get out of it? You aren’t a master negotiator if you just give everything to the opposing side.
Ah, the Chamberlain maneuver
Russia has occupied Crimea for over a decade now and there is no realistic prospect of Ukraine retaking it. Recognizing the status quo seems largely symbolic.
Of course, I’ve seen essentially zero Russian concessions up to now. Not exactly clear what all these concessions are buying Ukraine or the broader West.
Also, this is pretty rich coming from the Trump admin:
> The White House declined to comment. In a statement to Semafor after publication of this story, National Security Council spokesman Brian Hughes said that the administration has “made no such commitments and **we will not negotiate this deal through the media**.”
Realistically it’s been theirs since 2014
The only thing giving me hope is that anything lost can be gained back in the future. If Crimea becomes Russian, Ukraine can retake it in the future with enough force. That’s the same hope I have for Afghanistan. We can overthrow the Taliban again in the future when we stop being cowards.
Not beating the Russian asset allegations
NATO membership, or other binding European alliance pact, triggering immediate deployment of European troops if any Russian troops or attempt to interfere in elections is detected in Ukraine, and it would be worth it. Anything less than all out war in the event at future attempts to annex Ukraine by Russia, and it’s a bad deal