Every day the UK moves slightly closer to the Chinese model of authoritarianism
Don’t need to explain how this can easily be weaponised or backfire
justkillmeonce on
What exactly is the voter base for labour now? Why are they committing political seppuku ?
_Un_Known__ on
Reading the article and the headline makes it sound a lot more severe than it is
It’s mostly saying if you break laws you’ll be restricted from certain activities for a set period of time, like can’t go to a football stadium or go on holiday – no mention of this being permenant
Completely stupid if her to saying “you should lose your liberty” though, good god. Liberties should be inalienable
PrimateChange on
Mahmood is phrasing this as cracking down on criminals (for the tabloid audience), but the background is that Mahmood wants to reduce pressure on prisons by replacing short sentences with community orders. I’m sympathetic to reducing the use of short sentences as there’s little evidence of their deterrent effect, and this means that the measures are less authoritarian than they appear, but this seems to have plenty of potential issues on its surface:
* Seems very difficult to administer or enforce.
* Seems like it could be confusing for offenders possibly meaning many will breach these orders unintentionally.
* More dangerous for the community when it comes to offenders who do pose a risk.
* Possibly removes the option for lighter community sentences for offenders who pose a very limited risk or chance of reoffending.
* Unclear whether it will have more of a deterrent effect than prisons.
* Unpopular with people on both sides (sounds authoritarian for those opposed to harsher punishments, sounds like lighter sentencing for those who support harsher punishments).
Unterfahrt on
Just build more prisons. There should be set punishments for crimes, no early release due to overcrowding. If you commit a crime, you go to jail, you do your time in full (or if you get early release it’s due to good behaviour) then you’re free.
The trouble with systems like this is they’re impossible to enforce properly. So people who take it seriously will be punished, but people who don’t will probably get away with it. And if you’re already a criminal… guess which category you probably fall into?
Unless you’re ankle-tagging everyone, this won’t work.
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Every day the UK moves slightly closer to the Chinese model of authoritarianism
Don’t need to explain how this can easily be weaponised or backfire
What exactly is the voter base for labour now? Why are they committing political seppuku ?
Reading the article and the headline makes it sound a lot more severe than it is
It’s mostly saying if you break laws you’ll be restricted from certain activities for a set period of time, like can’t go to a football stadium or go on holiday – no mention of this being permenant
Completely stupid if her to saying “you should lose your liberty” though, good god. Liberties should be inalienable
Mahmood is phrasing this as cracking down on criminals (for the tabloid audience), but the background is that Mahmood wants to reduce pressure on prisons by replacing short sentences with community orders. I’m sympathetic to reducing the use of short sentences as there’s little evidence of their deterrent effect, and this means that the measures are less authoritarian than they appear, but this seems to have plenty of potential issues on its surface:
* Seems very difficult to administer or enforce.
* Seems like it could be confusing for offenders possibly meaning many will breach these orders unintentionally.
* More dangerous for the community when it comes to offenders who do pose a risk.
* Possibly removes the option for lighter community sentences for offenders who pose a very limited risk or chance of reoffending.
* Unclear whether it will have more of a deterrent effect than prisons.
* Unpopular with people on both sides (sounds authoritarian for those opposed to harsher punishments, sounds like lighter sentencing for those who support harsher punishments).
Just build more prisons. There should be set punishments for crimes, no early release due to overcrowding. If you commit a crime, you go to jail, you do your time in full (or if you get early release it’s due to good behaviour) then you’re free.
The trouble with systems like this is they’re impossible to enforce properly. So people who take it seriously will be punished, but people who don’t will probably get away with it. And if you’re already a criminal… guess which category you probably fall into?
Unless you’re ankle-tagging everyone, this won’t work.