Remember when Democrats went on a string of wins by appealing to the suburbs? Why on earth would they abandon that? Because they lost after first in a generation inflation and a few bad candidate decisions?
JohnKerry2028 on
They already are. Biden was the most pro-union president ever elected.
TatersTot on
Unions abandoned the party not the other way around
omnipotentsandwich on
Submission statement: There are numerous articles about this very topic, but I think Sherrod has a legitimacy that few others have. Everything he said here reminded me things I hear from people in my hometown. I think he really hits the nail on the head when it comes to the Democrats’ and Biden’s problems with workers. This touches on how economics impacts specific communities and the effects specific policies have, an important discussion in the field and in politics in general.
Key_Environment8179 on
It’s by Sherrod Brown. It’s a campaign piece
bandeng_asep on
We’ve tried that remember? In 2024??? When Ol’ Sleepy Joe Biden saved went down to protest with the Teamster’s union, only to be repaid with the President of the Teamster’s Union going to RNC?????
In short: The democrats shouldn’t be neoliberal at all. The more “pro worker” one gets, in the way the author describe, the less competitive America gets, and the higher the shock if AI ends up making significant changes to the world. Climbing up the value chain? None of that. Probably a lot more tariffs to fight those that “don’t play fair” or whatever nonsense they call it lately.
For the workers to believe you are working for them, what really happens is that you have to be against the non-workers. Be a bad place for capital. Forget making the country richer: Make it equal by cutting tall people at the ankles. Then those workers will feel you are on their side, as opportunities shrink anyway. We see where that road goes to in some European labor markets. Their healthcare is good. The labor market, with higher unemployment, is should not be emulated.
wumbopolis_ on
Yeah, this is full of shit.
Blue collar and low skilled labor saw the largest surge in earnings under Biden than literally any other president the past 3 decades. You had aggressive investment in manufacturing (CHIPS act, IRA, BBB) that disproportionately went to rural, blue collar workers. Biden literally picketed with unions, and bailed out union pension funds with taxpayer dollars. And that’s not even talking about the tariffs targeted towards foreign manufacturing that Biden kept in place, and sometimes increased, over Trump 1.
Democrats under Biden were the most pro worker party we’ve seen since FDR. I get Brown has to try to distinguish himself from Democrats, and paining false narratives is probably the best way to do it. But my god people are lying to themselves if they think the reason the sub50k earners who voted for Trump did so because “muh economic anxiety”. These people are degenerate fascists, not struggling, mislead, salt of the earth types.
justbuildmorehousing on
The discourse around Democrats not being “pro-worker” enough drives me nuts as someone who has long worked in rust belt manufacturing. Democrats are *clearly* more pro union and pro worker and its not even close. The reason a lot of blue collar workers love Trumpism is because rather than face tough realities of a changing world, Republicans will gleefully lie to you. *’No no manufacturing isn’t declining because of automation and stiff overseas competition. Its because we didnt tariff enough and NAFTA killed everything and we let too many immigrants in’* and people eat that up. And believe me I get it- people with a GED or HS degree feel like their group’s options for climbing the wealth ladder are declining and voting MAGA is emotionally satisfying but is it helping? Is it?? Look around
Should Democrats just start lying to people too? Maybe! I do not know at this point. People just eat up the bullshit “We’re gonna bring back a gorbillion manufacturing jobs!” lies from the GOP despite them never ever delivering. The idea that the GOP is ‘pro worker’ is just because they will lie about what they can deliver
(And frankly a lot of these ‘workers’ we keep mentioning are tacitly white high school educated gen X men who have a variety of other reasons for loving Trump which have nothing to do with this and are functionally unwinnable votes)
KopOut on
Good luck with that. There is no bigger pro-worker candidate in the party than Brown. He is in a state with tons of union working class blue collar voters. And in 2024, he ran for re-election and *checks notes* lost…
Honestly, it feels insane to me that the Democratic party has not figured out yet that they just need to pick 3 fucking big things that are the requirement to be part of the party ticket and then make it clear that different candidates will hold different positions potentially on everything else depending on their own beliefs and electoral circumstances.
My suggestions: Every Democrat believes we should tax the mega rich, people have should have freedom over their own body, and healthcare is a right.
We cannot please everyone we want in the tent on everything, and it’s high time we made it known that every candidate will not be held to the standard of being max worker, max woke, max anti-war, and on and on and on. There will be candidates that tick some of those boxes in different mixes, but every candidate will tick the three main boxes: tax the mega rich, bodily autonomy, healthcare is a right (or whatever is decided on officially).
Kaffe-Mumriken on
You think it’s easy to adjust your party of tolerance and acceptance to appeal to “blue collar workers”?
You’re gonna have to abandon some human rights positions you’ve taken in the last 20 years
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Why? Blue collar workers vote on cultural issues.
Boo
Remember when Democrats went on a string of wins by appealing to the suburbs? Why on earth would they abandon that? Because they lost after first in a generation inflation and a few bad candidate decisions?
They already are. Biden was the most pro-union president ever elected.
Unions abandoned the party not the other way around
Submission statement: There are numerous articles about this very topic, but I think Sherrod has a legitimacy that few others have. Everything he said here reminded me things I hear from people in my hometown. I think he really hits the nail on the head when it comes to the Democrats’ and Biden’s problems with workers. This touches on how economics impacts specific communities and the effects specific policies have, an important discussion in the field and in politics in general.
It’s by Sherrod Brown. It’s a campaign piece
We’ve tried that remember? In 2024??? When Ol’ Sleepy Joe Biden saved went down to protest with the Teamster’s union, only to be repaid with the President of the Teamster’s Union going to RNC?????
https://preview.redd.it/oevpdn358fog1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=be81a71a09ad557da3b724e2b8eb78fcb3f89809
In short: The democrats shouldn’t be neoliberal at all. The more “pro worker” one gets, in the way the author describe, the less competitive America gets, and the higher the shock if AI ends up making significant changes to the world. Climbing up the value chain? None of that. Probably a lot more tariffs to fight those that “don’t play fair” or whatever nonsense they call it lately.
For the workers to believe you are working for them, what really happens is that you have to be against the non-workers. Be a bad place for capital. Forget making the country richer: Make it equal by cutting tall people at the ankles. Then those workers will feel you are on their side, as opportunities shrink anyway. We see where that road goes to in some European labor markets. Their healthcare is good. The labor market, with higher unemployment, is should not be emulated.
Yeah, this is full of shit.
Blue collar and low skilled labor saw the largest surge in earnings under Biden than literally any other president the past 3 decades. You had aggressive investment in manufacturing (CHIPS act, IRA, BBB) that disproportionately went to rural, blue collar workers. Biden literally picketed with unions, and bailed out union pension funds with taxpayer dollars. And that’s not even talking about the tariffs targeted towards foreign manufacturing that Biden kept in place, and sometimes increased, over Trump 1.
Democrats under Biden were the most pro worker party we’ve seen since FDR. I get Brown has to try to distinguish himself from Democrats, and paining false narratives is probably the best way to do it. But my god people are lying to themselves if they think the reason the sub50k earners who voted for Trump did so because “muh economic anxiety”. These people are degenerate fascists, not struggling, mislead, salt of the earth types.
The discourse around Democrats not being “pro-worker” enough drives me nuts as someone who has long worked in rust belt manufacturing. Democrats are *clearly* more pro union and pro worker and its not even close. The reason a lot of blue collar workers love Trumpism is because rather than face tough realities of a changing world, Republicans will gleefully lie to you. *’No no manufacturing isn’t declining because of automation and stiff overseas competition. Its because we didnt tariff enough and NAFTA killed everything and we let too many immigrants in’* and people eat that up. And believe me I get it- people with a GED or HS degree feel like their group’s options for climbing the wealth ladder are declining and voting MAGA is emotionally satisfying but is it helping? Is it?? Look around
Should Democrats just start lying to people too? Maybe! I do not know at this point. People just eat up the bullshit “We’re gonna bring back a gorbillion manufacturing jobs!” lies from the GOP despite them never ever delivering. The idea that the GOP is ‘pro worker’ is just because they will lie about what they can deliver
(And frankly a lot of these ‘workers’ we keep mentioning are tacitly white high school educated gen X men who have a variety of other reasons for loving Trump which have nothing to do with this and are functionally unwinnable votes)
Good luck with that. There is no bigger pro-worker candidate in the party than Brown. He is in a state with tons of union working class blue collar voters. And in 2024, he ran for re-election and *checks notes* lost…
Honestly, it feels insane to me that the Democratic party has not figured out yet that they just need to pick 3 fucking big things that are the requirement to be part of the party ticket and then make it clear that different candidates will hold different positions potentially on everything else depending on their own beliefs and electoral circumstances.
My suggestions: Every Democrat believes we should tax the mega rich, people have should have freedom over their own body, and healthcare is a right.
We cannot please everyone we want in the tent on everything, and it’s high time we made it known that every candidate will not be held to the standard of being max worker, max woke, max anti-war, and on and on and on. There will be candidates that tick some of those boxes in different mixes, but every candidate will tick the three main boxes: tax the mega rich, bodily autonomy, healthcare is a right (or whatever is decided on officially).
You think it’s easy to adjust your party of tolerance and acceptance to appeal to “blue collar workers”?
You’re gonna have to abandon some human rights positions you’ve taken in the last 20 years
Workers aren’t even part of the workers party.