Submission: The protests across France appear to be widening, involving not only hundreds of thousands of students but pulling n the French left and labor as well.
Last_Surprise981 on
I have seen enough, hike pensions and lower the retirement age.
Current-Function-729 on
This still seems like agitprop. They burned down some nice new school too.
I refuse to believe school conditions is the real cause and not immigration and foreign (Russian) influence.
Rocko52 on
Frankly my initial read of the situation isn’t one of much sympathy to the protest movement. I don’t doubt there are serious concerns in there, but especially when the “movement” in question is high school kids – I tend to imagine a non-marginal portion of these kids are motivated more by adventurism/fun/classic hooliganism than by a deep understanding of and conviction for systemic education reform. I may have to redraw this initial read, but I can’t imagine weeks of protest will actually help any real problems. Plus, I just find it wrongheaded to imagine schooling as comparable to labor organizing or strikes – a student *is* the product if you want to put it that way, not the worker. Some of the complaints read to me as post-hoc or even just whinging to be honest.
The linkages of the “movement” to the French left just appear opportunistic and part of the general discontent brewing in French politics and society. The farther left and right are on the upswing, Macron and other centrist figures are attacked as do-nothings, powerless, etc. More money for xyz, any holding back on anything is corruption and exploitation, etc etc.
heavyLevy5 on
When you are constantly protesting about every single thing people stop listening
10-1-100 on
French schools:
> When students at Paul Éluard, a high school in a working-class suburb north of Paris, arrived for the first day of school, they found classrooms lacking chairs, tables and reliable electricity, students and teachers said. With the school under renovation, students were being taught instead in prefabricated buildings with bad insulation, filthy toilets and regular power outages, they said.
> Then came the staffing shortage. Two mathematics professors were moved to another school, leaving no one to cover their classes for over a week. There were no replacements for the school’s absent psychologist or careers adviser, they said, and there was only a single part-time nurse to provide on-site medical care to roughly 2,000 students.
r/nl commenters:
> I don’t have much sympathy because they are high schoolers, probably just being hooligans
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Submission: The protests across France appear to be widening, involving not only hundreds of thousands of students but pulling n the French left and labor as well.
I have seen enough, hike pensions and lower the retirement age.
This still seems like agitprop. They burned down some nice new school too.
I refuse to believe school conditions is the real cause and not immigration and foreign (Russian) influence.
Frankly my initial read of the situation isn’t one of much sympathy to the protest movement. I don’t doubt there are serious concerns in there, but especially when the “movement” in question is high school kids – I tend to imagine a non-marginal portion of these kids are motivated more by adventurism/fun/classic hooliganism than by a deep understanding of and conviction for systemic education reform. I may have to redraw this initial read, but I can’t imagine weeks of protest will actually help any real problems. Plus, I just find it wrongheaded to imagine schooling as comparable to labor organizing or strikes – a student *is* the product if you want to put it that way, not the worker. Some of the complaints read to me as post-hoc or even just whinging to be honest.
The linkages of the “movement” to the French left just appear opportunistic and part of the general discontent brewing in French politics and society. The farther left and right are on the upswing, Macron and other centrist figures are attacked as do-nothings, powerless, etc. More money for xyz, any holding back on anything is corruption and exploitation, etc etc.
When you are constantly protesting about every single thing people stop listening
French schools:
> When students at Paul Éluard, a high school in a working-class suburb north of Paris, arrived for the first day of school, they found classrooms lacking chairs, tables and reliable electricity, students and teachers said. With the school under renovation, students were being taught instead in prefabricated buildings with bad insulation, filthy toilets and regular power outages, they said.
> Then came the staffing shortage. Two mathematics professors were moved to another school, leaving no one to cover their classes for over a week. There were no replacements for the school’s absent psychologist or careers adviser, they said, and there was only a single part-time nurse to provide on-site medical care to roughly 2,000 students.
r/nl commenters:
> I don’t have much sympathy because they are high schoolers, probably just being hooligans
> This is just agitprop/Russian influence
Lol