Had Kamala Harris won the US election last month — and it was close, remember, despite the tone of the coverage since then — would Donald Trump have conceded defeat within 24 brisk hours? Would Republicans in Congress be preparing to certify the result in the new year? Would the party’s voters accept her as the legitimate president when asked in polls? On all three counts, there is enough doubt that posing the questions doesn’t seem exotic.
Without quite acknowledging it, American politics has arrived at an understanding. One side can ignore the rules of the game — to the point of challenging election outcomes without proof of fraud — and the other can’t, or at least doesn’t. In the language of the street, but also of game theory, the Democratic party is the sucker. If it were one of the two detainees in the prisoner’s dilemma, it would confess to a crime, the accomplice wouldn’t, and jail would beckon for the former. The prisoner at least has the excuse of ignorance. Democrats are aware of being diddled.
This isn’t tenable. The ultimate risk to the American republic is that Democrats give up their unilateral observance of basic norms. The system can survive, just about, one of the two main parties going feral. It can’t survive both. And so the story isn’t that Joe Biden has pardoned his son, having promised not to. (Even Jimmy Carter, tower of Baptist rectitude, pardoned the “first brother” and Libya enthusiast Billy Carter.) The story is what far worse behaviours it might augur from the Democrats in future, given the incentives they face.
Behaviours such as? Giving up on normal leaders and elevating a demagogue of the left: a Huey Long for our age. Or choosing which election results to honour. Or embracing a leftist version of deep state theory: a total rejection of the US system. The federal judiciary is now permeated with Trump appointees at district, appellate and Supreme level. The tech and finance sectors, which together run much of the architecture of modern life, are pro-Trump to a growing extent. And all this is before his second term, during which his tentacles will spread. Soon, it might be senior Democrats arguing that institutional America is against them, and that survival is not compatible with playing by Marquess of Queensberry rules.
Here is a prediction. At some point, a Democrat of note will write a liberal version of Michael Anton’s “Flight 93” essay. To recap, Anton is the conservative who told his peers in 2016 that Trump, however potentially harmful, was preferable to certain doom for America under godless liberalism. For all its histrionics, the argument had internal logic. If you believe the entire constitutional order is compromised, and the other party unscrupulous, it would be mad to act as normal. Anton’s disgust was less for Democrats than Republicans: for observing the usual niceties, for nibbling on crumbs from the enemy and calling it half a loaf, for revering Burkean decorum when Leninist hardball should be the model.
The Democrats are ripe for a similar eureka moment. Even now, the trend of the party’s behaviour is alarming. Aside from the unpardonable pardon, the Democrats tried to sneak an obviously too old Biden past the electorate until a televised debate exposed their lie. (Might the nation have so much as a “sorry”?) With luck, this is a phase, not a trailer for the future. This column doesn’t suggest that Democrats should break the rules of the game. But their objective interests suggest they eventually will.
How might I be wrong? Well, game theory assumes that all actors are self-seeking. It doesn’t account for patriotism, or the capacity for shame, either of which might keep the Democrats in line. A liberal would say that Republicans haven’t played fair since Newt Gingrich untamed them in 1994, that none of the last three Democratic presidents were treated as wholly legitimate on the right, and that Democrats, despite all these provocations, have not retaliated in kind. Values guide human action, not just incentives.
To which I’d say: the incentives have never been as clear as now. Until a month ago, the Democrats could tell themselves that Republican rule-breaking incurs swift punishment from voters. 2018, 2020 and 2022 were proofs. All that changed in November. A man who tried to overturn a presidential election won the very next one. What reward is there for observing protocol, then? When does honour become a mug’s game? For now, the atmosphere on the left is one of tired acceptance. But in a reversal of the stages of grief, it might be that anger comes later, as a generation of liberals emerges that despises their elders as civilised to a fault.
Two reckless parties: it is unthinkable in a mature democracy. But so, just a decade ago, was the simultaneous debasement of Labour and the Conservatives in Britain. The culmination was Boris Johnson versus Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, the Iran-Iraq war of elections.
It could happen in the US. In fact, the wonder of the Biden pardon is that Democrats haven’t done much worse, much earlier. Comparing Trump to 1930s fascists never captured the true nature of his threat. Those despots wanted such grandiosities as “one people, one realm, one leader” or “ . . . nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”. The danger for America is that Democrats succumb to a more banal motto, the eternal refrain of the cynic. “Everyone does it.”
Throwingawayanoni on
A pompey ceaser situation would really suck. But that means not creating cults of personalities and giving a pass to everything a candidate does, assuming there is a legitimate primary (beacuse then you can’t really choose lol). A lot of people are seeing bidens pardon as a positive including on this sub, but we can’t just sweep it under the rug beacuse the republicans do, beacuse we will create an enviroment where a democrat does something geniunely bad and people will defend it blindly because the other side is worse. But if two authoritarian candidates make it past the primary I don’t really know what to do and I guess at that point we just have it coming.
2EM18KKC01 on
The only constraint being how fast leopards can eat faces (TM) and how quickly the Democrats can act on that.
Plants_et_Politics on
The Democrats turning to anti-institution authoritarianism is *the* endgame scenario for the United States. I don’t know how popular the sentiment actually among Democrats, but you see it crop up occasionally on this sub, especially since the election, but it has been increasing in support over the past year.
The thing is… if you’re a liberal, this is always a losing strategy. If you win neat and quickly, congratulations, power is now in the hands of a dangerous vanguard convinced that half the country is fascist, lacks faith in democracy and is convinced the rule of law is for losers.
If the parties start fighting, well… nobody wins a civil war, and while Republicans might drag us into one anyway, there are almost zero policies short of democratic liberty itself which I believe are worth millions of American lives. If things get hot, this country has a lot of guns and a strong but politically agnostic military. Things could last a long, long time.
I worry about the slow rot of American institutional norms quite a bit. Democrats aren’t quite as innocent of this practice as they often think (even raising ideas like court-packing has the effect of expanding the overton window for *both* parties), and it has rarely worked out in their favor. Instead, they tend to quibble a bit and then half-heartedly stretch the rules—only for Republicans to use that as justification to slam straight through them in the maximally self-interested fashion.
!ping DEMOCRACY
ElectricalShame1222 on
Okay, fair, but I really hope there is a behind the scenes conversation happening right now where Democrats are at least threatening to play by Trump’s rules unless the Republicans dial it down.
There needs to be a “Wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts!” moment, because if the Democrats just continue to be the adults in the room with zero reciprocity we’re going to wake up in very, very bad place very quickly.
Because the thing with the prisoner’s dilemma analogy is it’s not just that the “sucker” goes to jail, it’s that the other prisoner gets away with zero punishment.
dont_gift_subs on
I mean this is what we HAVE to do though right? Americans want populism and don’t punish rulebreakers. It’s a choice between lose to trumpism or embrace populism
KomradeCumojedica on
so the choice basically is: play by the rules, or make someone like Shoe0nHead a Huey Long-style nominee (and thus betray neoliberalism) in an uncertain bid for winning back the working class portion of Trump’s electorate
Goldmule1 on
One thing that annoys me about these types of articles is that they treat all of America’s civic institutions as the same and all equally worth protecting. There are certainly some redundant and/or flawed parts of American civil society that the public rejects, and either abandoning or reforming them would not be a cataclysmic event. Also, these articles always assume that the result of rejecting status quo institutions is societal collapse, not the creation of new ones or the transformation of old ones. It’s almost a conservative take.
One of the things that frustrated me the most about Biden’s messaging is telling voters they need to stand up for a Democracy that an increasing number of voters say doesn’t work for them instead of demanding reforms to make it work for everyone.
apzh on
Jesus Christ, this is perhaps one of the darkest takes I have read so far on the election. I don’t think active rule breaking is the answer here. Democrats can engage in tit for tat tactics to a certain extent, but it would be serious mistake to abandon their image as a “law abiding” party. Especially after one of the primary reason for this debacle was them abandoning a commitment to transparency and covering up Biden’s aging.
I would argue Trump’s rule breaking is still heavily punishing him. This would have been a landslide in any other situation.
Democrats need to do a much better job marketing themselves. I liked a lot of what the Harris campaign did, but it’s pretty clear they inherited an antiquated view of media from the Biden campaign. They already have popular policies that even Trump voters approve of as long as they don’t know who it came from. This is purely an image problem that can be fixed with a creative approach to campaigning in 2028.
Democrats are well equipped without having to go down an authoritarian road. They just need to find the right pilot and crew.
messypaper on
Tit for tat only works if the other party is operating in good faith. Republicans have shown they’re willing to burn norms to win, Democrats are learning that it works and they don’t get anything in return for upholding norms.
karama_zov on
As they should.
Abuses-Commas on
I’d vote for Huey Long at this point
eyeronik1 on
What is the vision that Democrats offer to blue collar workers and small business owners? Seriously, what is it? Fix this and then we can argue about tactics.
pseudoanon on
Who’s going to vote for that version of the Democratic party?
Will those Democrats support the things the current Democrats support?
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Had Kamala Harris won the US election last month — and it was close, remember, despite the tone of the coverage since then — would Donald Trump have conceded defeat within 24 brisk hours? Would Republicans in Congress be preparing to certify the result in the new year? Would the party’s voters accept her as the legitimate president when asked in polls? On all three counts, there is enough doubt that posing the questions doesn’t seem exotic.
Without quite acknowledging it, American politics has arrived at an understanding. One side can ignore the rules of the game — to the point of challenging election outcomes without proof of fraud — and the other can’t, or at least doesn’t. In the language of the street, but also of game theory, the Democratic party is the sucker. If it were one of the two detainees in the prisoner’s dilemma, it would confess to a crime, the accomplice wouldn’t, and jail would beckon for the former. The prisoner at least has the excuse of ignorance. Democrats are aware of being diddled.
This isn’t tenable. The ultimate risk to the American republic is that Democrats give up their unilateral observance of basic norms. The system can survive, just about, one of the two main parties going feral. It can’t survive both. And so the story isn’t that Joe Biden has pardoned his son, having promised not to. (Even Jimmy Carter, tower of Baptist rectitude, pardoned the “first brother” and Libya enthusiast Billy Carter.) The story is what far worse behaviours it might augur from the Democrats in future, given the incentives they face.
Behaviours such as? Giving up on normal leaders and elevating a demagogue of the left: a Huey Long for our age. Or choosing which election results to honour. Or embracing a leftist version of deep state theory: a total rejection of the US system. The federal judiciary is now permeated with Trump appointees at district, appellate and Supreme level. The tech and finance sectors, which together run much of the architecture of modern life, are pro-Trump to a growing extent. And all this is before his second term, during which his tentacles will spread. Soon, it might be senior Democrats arguing that institutional America is against them, and that survival is not compatible with playing by Marquess of Queensberry rules.
Here is a prediction. At some point, a Democrat of note will write a liberal version of Michael Anton’s “Flight 93” essay. To recap, Anton is the conservative who told his peers in 2016 that Trump, however potentially harmful, was preferable to certain doom for America under godless liberalism. For all its histrionics, the argument had internal logic. If you believe the entire constitutional order is compromised, and the other party unscrupulous, it would be mad to act as normal. Anton’s disgust was less for Democrats than Republicans: for observing the usual niceties, for nibbling on crumbs from the enemy and calling it half a loaf, for revering Burkean decorum when Leninist hardball should be the model.
The Democrats are ripe for a similar eureka moment. Even now, the trend of the party’s behaviour is alarming. Aside from the unpardonable pardon, the Democrats tried to sneak an obviously too old Biden past the electorate until a televised debate exposed their lie. (Might the nation have so much as a “sorry”?) With luck, this is a phase, not a trailer for the future. This column doesn’t suggest that Democrats should break the rules of the game. But their objective interests suggest they eventually will.
How might I be wrong? Well, game theory assumes that all actors are self-seeking. It doesn’t account for patriotism, or the capacity for shame, either of which might keep the Democrats in line. A liberal would say that Republicans haven’t played fair since Newt Gingrich untamed them in 1994, that none of the last three Democratic presidents were treated as wholly legitimate on the right, and that Democrats, despite all these provocations, have not retaliated in kind. Values guide human action, not just incentives.
To which I’d say: the incentives have never been as clear as now. Until a month ago, the Democrats could tell themselves that Republican rule-breaking incurs swift punishment from voters. 2018, 2020 and 2022 were proofs. All that changed in November. A man who tried to overturn a presidential election won the very next one. What reward is there for observing protocol, then? When does honour become a mug’s game? For now, the atmosphere on the left is one of tired acceptance. But in a reversal of the stages of grief, it might be that anger comes later, as a generation of liberals emerges that despises their elders as civilised to a fault.
Two reckless parties: it is unthinkable in a mature democracy. But so, just a decade ago, was the simultaneous debasement of Labour and the Conservatives in Britain. The culmination was Boris Johnson versus Jeremy Corbyn in 2019, the Iran-Iraq war of elections.
It could happen in the US. In fact, the wonder of the Biden pardon is that Democrats haven’t done much worse, much earlier. Comparing Trump to 1930s fascists never captured the true nature of his threat. Those despots wanted such grandiosities as “one people, one realm, one leader” or “ . . . nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”. The danger for America is that Democrats succumb to a more banal motto, the eternal refrain of the cynic. “Everyone does it.”
A pompey ceaser situation would really suck. But that means not creating cults of personalities and giving a pass to everything a candidate does, assuming there is a legitimate primary (beacuse then you can’t really choose lol). A lot of people are seeing bidens pardon as a positive including on this sub, but we can’t just sweep it under the rug beacuse the republicans do, beacuse we will create an enviroment where a democrat does something geniunely bad and people will defend it blindly because the other side is worse. But if two authoritarian candidates make it past the primary I don’t really know what to do and I guess at that point we just have it coming.
The only constraint being how fast leopards can eat faces (TM) and how quickly the Democrats can act on that.
The Democrats turning to anti-institution authoritarianism is *the* endgame scenario for the United States. I don’t know how popular the sentiment actually among Democrats, but you see it crop up occasionally on this sub, especially since the election, but it has been increasing in support over the past year.
The thing is… if you’re a liberal, this is always a losing strategy. If you win neat and quickly, congratulations, power is now in the hands of a dangerous vanguard convinced that half the country is fascist, lacks faith in democracy and is convinced the rule of law is for losers.
If the parties start fighting, well… nobody wins a civil war, and while Republicans might drag us into one anyway, there are almost zero policies short of democratic liberty itself which I believe are worth millions of American lives. If things get hot, this country has a lot of guns and a strong but politically agnostic military. Things could last a long, long time.
I worry about the slow rot of American institutional norms quite a bit. Democrats aren’t quite as innocent of this practice as they often think (even raising ideas like court-packing has the effect of expanding the overton window for *both* parties), and it has rarely worked out in their favor. Instead, they tend to quibble a bit and then half-heartedly stretch the rules—only for Republicans to use that as justification to slam straight through them in the maximally self-interested fashion.
!ping DEMOCRACY
Okay, fair, but I really hope there is a behind the scenes conversation happening right now where Democrats are at least threatening to play by Trump’s rules unless the Republicans dial it down.
There needs to be a “Wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts!” moment, because if the Democrats just continue to be the adults in the room with zero reciprocity we’re going to wake up in very, very bad place very quickly.
Because the thing with the prisoner’s dilemma analogy is it’s not just that the “sucker” goes to jail, it’s that the other prisoner gets away with zero punishment.
I mean this is what we HAVE to do though right? Americans want populism and don’t punish rulebreakers. It’s a choice between lose to trumpism or embrace populism
so the choice basically is: play by the rules, or make someone like Shoe0nHead a Huey Long-style nominee (and thus betray neoliberalism) in an uncertain bid for winning back the working class portion of Trump’s electorate
One thing that annoys me about these types of articles is that they treat all of America’s civic institutions as the same and all equally worth protecting. There are certainly some redundant and/or flawed parts of American civil society that the public rejects, and either abandoning or reforming them would not be a cataclysmic event. Also, these articles always assume that the result of rejecting status quo institutions is societal collapse, not the creation of new ones or the transformation of old ones. It’s almost a conservative take.
One of the things that frustrated me the most about Biden’s messaging is telling voters they need to stand up for a Democracy that an increasing number of voters say doesn’t work for them instead of demanding reforms to make it work for everyone.
Jesus Christ, this is perhaps one of the darkest takes I have read so far on the election. I don’t think active rule breaking is the answer here. Democrats can engage in tit for tat tactics to a certain extent, but it would be serious mistake to abandon their image as a “law abiding” party. Especially after one of the primary reason for this debacle was them abandoning a commitment to transparency and covering up Biden’s aging.
I would argue Trump’s rule breaking is still heavily punishing him. This would have been a landslide in any other situation.
Democrats need to do a much better job marketing themselves. I liked a lot of what the Harris campaign did, but it’s pretty clear they inherited an antiquated view of media from the Biden campaign. They already have popular policies that even Trump voters approve of as long as they don’t know who it came from. This is purely an image problem that can be fixed with a creative approach to campaigning in 2028.
Democrats are well equipped without having to go down an authoritarian road. They just need to find the right pilot and crew.
Tit for tat only works if the other party is operating in good faith. Republicans have shown they’re willing to burn norms to win, Democrats are learning that it works and they don’t get anything in return for upholding norms.
As they should.
I’d vote for Huey Long at this point
What is the vision that Democrats offer to blue collar workers and small business owners? Seriously, what is it? Fix this and then we can argue about tactics.
Who’s going to vote for that version of the Democratic party?
Will those Democrats support the things the current Democrats support?