>Gov. Gavin Newsom of California said on Friday that the Democratic brand was “toxic” and that his party had to admit its own mistakes, delivering tough love as Democrats struggle in their fight against the Trump administration.
>Mr. Newsom, once considered a liberal combatant, has embarked on a political soul search in the months since President Trump won the White House and Republicans won both houses of Congress. On Friday, he used his strongest language yet to criticize his own party during an appearance on “Real Time With Bill Maher.”
>“The Democratic brand is toxic right now,” he said, pointing to a recent NBC News poll that showed Democrats with a 27 percent favorability rating, the lowest in at least a generation.
>Mr. Newsom, a possible 2028 presidential candidate, blamed his fellow Democrats for his party’s woes. He criticized Democrats for being judgmental, staying in an echo chamber and resorting to “cancel culture” to ostracize people whose views they find abhorrent.
>“We talk down to people,” he said. “We talk past people.”
>Senator John Fetterman, Democrat of Pennsylvania, also criticized his party on Friday, saying in an interview with Politico that the party would be in a “permanent minority” if it did not get its act together.
>On Friday, Mr. Newsom told Mr. Maher: “We need to own our mistakes. We need to own what’s wrong with our party.”
>Mr. Newsom’s comments were reminiscent of the time that former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told his own California Republican Party members in 2007 that they were “dying at the box office.” Nearly two decades ago, Mr. Schwarzenegger urged his conservative base to move toward the center to gain relevance in California, at a time when Democrats controlled the legislature and nearly all statewide offices there.
toggaf69 on
Gavin’s solution: interview people like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk and let them walk all over you in the name of centrism or something
Agreeable_Floor_2015 on
I have never seen a group more prone to navel gazing and self flagellation as the liberals in America. I’ve lived in many parts of the world and no one comes even CLOSE. Stop with the analysis paralysis, stop with trying to blame yourself constantly, stop fighting with each other if you want to move forward as a united party. God, it’s insufferable.
themadhatter077 on
Is there any center left party in the world that is as spineless and ineffective as the Democratic party?
Some parties suck at governing. Others suck at winning elections. The Dems seem to suck at both. Look at California, New York, Seattle. Those places thrive despite Dem governance, not because of it. Outside left-wing enclaves, Dems barely ever win at all. If the opposition weren’t so scary, no one would vote for the Dems.
ognits on
he’s not wrong, but holy shit is he approaching it the wrong way
Chataboutgames on
Worstpersonyouknow.onion
bunchtime on
Hes rightm but hes just not helping it get better. We went from the president who had massive cultural impact to chuck Schumer. We regressed hard post Obama in our brand is shit
RetroRiboflavin on
The Biden years were a disaster for the party, yes.
Hannig4n on
Newsom is unfortunately correct that the hall monitor culture that defines the Democrat brand is one half of the problem, electorally speaking.
The issue is 1. that his solution of glazing right wing nutjobs doesn’t help this at all and just makes you look like a snake ass clown, and 2. The other half of the democrats’ problem is ineffective governance, and Newsom is one of the worst offenders of this in the whole party, so forgive me for placing no value on anything he says.
11thDimensionalRandy on
>This idea that we can’t even have a conversation with the other side? Mr Newsom said with incredulity Friday
>You have to. They won. Mr. Maher replied.
Did republicans do this in 2020?
This is utterly pathetic.
The one thing I’ll give credit to Newsom on is not backtracking on the position that teachers must be obligated to inform parents when their kids talk about gender issues, but that just shows he’s incapable of crafting a coherent message. (Also, he isn’t resisting, just deflecting, I’m not giving him so much giving credit as I am not removing it)
“A teacher’s job is just to teach” isn’t a strong position on the subject, this is about the balance between parental and individual rights and the role of the state in settling that regarding minors.
You don’t talk amicably with the evil representatives on the other side, you don’t talk to the other side at all unless you already have a clear message.
No one is going to buy that Gavin is fighting back against “the excesses” of his party between now and 2028, he just looks like he’s desperate to advance his career.
Everyone who thinks and talks about electoral politics from the perspective of winning the mean/average voter is being too abstract in their analysis and isn’t actually suggesting an improvement over the *Appeal to The Groups* strategy.
UncleDrummers on
He’ll be pushed to the side by the losing purity tests consuming the DNC.
DeleuzionalThought on
5 straight months of public self-flagellation over a 1.5 popular vote loss is probably contributing to the whole “toxic” perception
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>Gov. Gavin Newsom of California said on Friday that the Democratic brand was “toxic” and that his party had to admit its own mistakes, delivering tough love as Democrats struggle in their fight against the Trump administration.
>Mr. Newsom, once considered a liberal combatant, has embarked on a political soul search in the months since President Trump won the White House and Republicans won both houses of Congress. On Friday, he used his strongest language yet to criticize his own party during an appearance on “Real Time With Bill Maher.”
>“The Democratic brand is toxic right now,” he said, pointing to a recent NBC News poll that showed Democrats with a 27 percent favorability rating, the lowest in at least a generation.
>Mr. Newsom, a possible 2028 presidential candidate, blamed his fellow Democrats for his party’s woes. He criticized Democrats for being judgmental, staying in an echo chamber and resorting to “cancel culture” to ostracize people whose views they find abhorrent.
>“We talk down to people,” he said. “We talk past people.”
>Senator John Fetterman, Democrat of Pennsylvania, also criticized his party on Friday, saying in an interview with Politico that the party would be in a “permanent minority” if it did not get its act together.
>On Friday, Mr. Newsom told Mr. Maher: “We need to own our mistakes. We need to own what’s wrong with our party.”
>Mr. Newsom’s comments were reminiscent of the time that former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger told his own California Republican Party members in 2007 that they were “dying at the box office.” Nearly two decades ago, Mr. Schwarzenegger urged his conservative base to move toward the center to gain relevance in California, at a time when Democrats controlled the legislature and nearly all statewide offices there.
Gavin’s solution: interview people like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk and let them walk all over you in the name of centrism or something
I have never seen a group more prone to navel gazing and self flagellation as the liberals in America. I’ve lived in many parts of the world and no one comes even CLOSE. Stop with the analysis paralysis, stop with trying to blame yourself constantly, stop fighting with each other if you want to move forward as a united party. God, it’s insufferable.
Is there any center left party in the world that is as spineless and ineffective as the Democratic party?
Some parties suck at governing. Others suck at winning elections. The Dems seem to suck at both. Look at California, New York, Seattle. Those places thrive despite Dem governance, not because of it. Outside left-wing enclaves, Dems barely ever win at all. If the opposition weren’t so scary, no one would vote for the Dems.
he’s not wrong, but holy shit is he approaching it the wrong way
Worstpersonyouknow.onion
Hes rightm but hes just not helping it get better. We went from the president who had massive cultural impact to chuck Schumer. We regressed hard post Obama in our brand is shit
The Biden years were a disaster for the party, yes.
Newsom is unfortunately correct that the hall monitor culture that defines the Democrat brand is one half of the problem, electorally speaking.
The issue is 1. that his solution of glazing right wing nutjobs doesn’t help this at all and just makes you look like a snake ass clown, and 2. The other half of the democrats’ problem is ineffective governance, and Newsom is one of the worst offenders of this in the whole party, so forgive me for placing no value on anything he says.
>This idea that we can’t even have a conversation with the other side? Mr Newsom said with incredulity Friday
>You have to. They won. Mr. Maher replied.
Did republicans do this in 2020?
This is utterly pathetic.
The one thing I’ll give credit to Newsom on is not backtracking on the position that teachers must be obligated to inform parents when their kids talk about gender issues, but that just shows he’s incapable of crafting a coherent message. (Also, he isn’t resisting, just deflecting, I’m not giving him so much giving credit as I am not removing it)
“A teacher’s job is just to teach” isn’t a strong position on the subject, this is about the balance between parental and individual rights and the role of the state in settling that regarding minors.
You don’t talk amicably with the evil representatives on the other side, you don’t talk to the other side at all unless you already have a clear message.
No one is going to buy that Gavin is fighting back against “the excesses” of his party between now and 2028, he just looks like he’s desperate to advance his career.
Everyone who thinks and talks about electoral politics from the perspective of winning the mean/average voter is being too abstract in their analysis and isn’t actually suggesting an improvement over the *Appeal to The Groups* strategy.
He’ll be pushed to the side by the losing purity tests consuming the DNC.
5 straight months of public self-flagellation over a 1.5 popular vote loss is probably contributing to the whole “toxic” perception